Rcq

[dan58]

Who's going up to watch? I'm heading up Thursday evening and returning first thing Saturday morning if anyone wants to catch a ride.

[CrawfishStu]

Going up early thursday morning.

[Ripster]

Ethan & I are going up Friday morning, watching the RCQ, partying Friday night and possibly wheeling Saturday.

[CrawfishStu]

I was gonna drag my buggy up to wheel saturday hopefully.

[RatLabGuy]

Damnit I have to miss this year, I'll be traveling for work all week andn ot back to BWI until Fri morning. Are they going to be streaming again?

[01TJ_03KJ]

off thursday and saturday but working friday. c'mon schedule gods, what did i ever do to you??

[Happy Bear]

I'm doubtful, although, I have been putting in a lot of extra hours at work so maybe they will let me slip out.

[MDMike]

Heading up to spectate Friday morning, coming home Friday evening.

[Mike]

depends how the week goes. If so, just friday, up and back.

[Kack]

Be up there early thurs morning.

[jhama78]

Be up there early thurs morning.

ditto :D

[rj91jeep]

heading up Friday morning to watch, camping, then wheeling Saturday. stupid mother's day or i would wheel Sunday too :dan1:

[theshocker]

going thrus night or friday morning. what time does the race start?

[CrawfishStu]

I'm getting antsy. Worked until 12 last night to fix several things including a broken tranny cooler line. Back at 6am to get a couple of hours in before work. Pulled it out of the shop......and the other tranny line is dead. Once it got warm it spewed fluid everywhere. I have to undo all the heat wrap and all again to pull the one I thought was good.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c97/CrawfishStu/Buggy%20Spy%20Video/th_20100501123505.jpg (http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c97/CrawfishStu/Buggy%20Spy%20Video/?action=view&current=20100501123505.flv)

[CrawfishStu]

And the wheel broke off my creeper........

[Happy Bear]

Good Luck guys, there is still a chance I will be able to make it up just gotta bust ass at work for the next 48 hours.

[atjeep]

Good luck to all the east coast guys!

Who will be giving us updates? :)

[CrawfishStu]

I don't like to text while wrenching. Gets my blackberry greasy.

[frosty]

Who will be giving us updates? :)

http://pirate4x4.com/trailreports/rcq-2010/

[dan58]

I don't like to text while wrenching. Gets my blackberry greasy.

:lol:

No snoozing in folding campchairs around the TW2 this time.

[Arya Ebrahimi]

Heading up to spectate Friday morning, coming home Friday evening.

Ditto

[mark99tj]

http://pirate4x4.com/trailreports/rcq-2010/

The plan is to use the same timing system from KOH that will update times at checkpoints every 5 minutes. That is the plan..... Alot of things need to align to make that happen, so I am cautious on that. Back up plan is to time same manner as last year. I should have Internet this year so if I cannot use the KOH database, I should be able to upload the back up speadsheet every so often, which will be either to pirate or the RC board. I am sort of flying by the seat of my pants this year.

[atjeep]

The plan is to use the same timing system from KOH that will update times at checkpoints every 5 minutes. That is the plan..... Alot of things need to align to make that happen, so I am cautious on that. Back up plan is to time same manner as last year. I should have Internet this year so if I cannot use the KOH database, I should be able to upload the back up speadsheet every so often, which will be either to pirate or the RC board. I am sort of flying by the seat of my pants this year.

Thanks Mark!

[Happy Bear]

Good Luck guys, there is still a chance I will be able to make it up just gotta bust ass at work for the next 48 hours.
Bustin ass and things are going well :thumbsup: God I hope I can make it up there!

[Ripster]

Bustin ass and things are going well :thumbsup: God I hope I can make it up there!

:thumbsup::cheers:

[doug38s]

Is anyone passing anywhere near Frederick Thursday (today) afternoon after 3 on their way up to RCQ? I have to get something up to Doug. -Kat

[B Potter]

I'll be going by emmitsburg early tomorrow morning, if that is any help.

[frosty]

Starting line up. Only thing is #1 and #2 are backwards. Randoms will be drawn some time tonight for their starting order.

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c71692/media/image/201005/phpAyVx5eRCQ2010v2-1.jpg

[dan58]

Doug needs to keep the rubber side down.

Interesting tidbit....AJ wasn't running Pitbulls. Thought he was sponsored?

[Mike]

what happened to lou?

[dan58]

what happened to lou?

Rolled in the same spot Doug did.

[Jack]

"Lou Levy has a DQ because he had to be helped exiting the course after his roll over"

what happened to lou?

[Happy Bear]

Fawk yea! I'm just finishing up at work, see you guys in the morning!

[dan58]

Fawk yea! I'm just finishing up at work, see you guys in the morning!

Sweet. I'm heading up there bright and early. Emphasis on early.

[TJgreg]

live stuff has started:
http://pirate4x4.com/trailreports/rcq-2010/raceday.php

[CrawfishStu]

Hey guys. We did pretty well getting here and set up. We preran the fast stuff and went to the drivers meeting and got pulled to run first for the qualifier. Doug didn't register so the made him run first. Times really just kept getting faster and judges were loose on the three dirty rule on the one hard cone. We wound up 15th.

We went and preran the rest of the course and blew a steering line at the orbital. It dumped boiling hot fluid out of our shroud and into ajs shoes. We used my multitool and a borrowed pair of vice grips from Ian Johnson to redo the braided line. We finished up and packed our tools for the race.

It was nice to get up. Shake some bolts and go to the start line.

And Happy, we had the pole for like 20 mins.

[frosty]

Course map for anyone that cares.

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c71692/media/image/201005/php2Agd77DSC_0049.jpg

[TJgreg]

Online coverage is surprisingly good. Being able to hear the race radio is nice.

[frosty]

Yeah I am digging it.

[TJgreg]

Doug looking strong.

[frosty]

Bunch of non-shifting mofo's it seems like with all the rev limiters being hit.

[TJgreg]

Eric Miller up trail 5 hill climb with a flat :cool:

[breakinshit]

This is killing productivity today.

[atjeep]

This is killing productivity today.

Yes. it. is.

[frosty]

lol

http://www.thefrostys.com/misc/whiner.jpg

[atjeep]

lol

http://www.thefrostys.com/misc/whiner.jpg

Awesome commentary, but not a surprising status.

[Mike]

I should have taken off today :(

Is there a map tracker?

[frosty]

No map tracker. Derek West in the lead starting 3rd lap and Healy right behind him just rolled through check point 1 about a minute behind. West appears to be running about an hour per lap.

[frosty]

Top 4 West, Healy, Ridgeway, T Wadson

[breakinshit]

Anyone know if AJ or bunny have completed a lap yet?

[frosty]

No on both. Dan said AJ came by jotters a little while ago with what sounded like a whiny/bad steering pump.

[Typhoon]

Last I heard they had not made it through CP1 yet.

[DirtyJohnDeereHat]

anyone know how lou is doing

[breakinshit]

I heard he broke early on but got going again.

[frosty]

Lou just through hill climb 5 on his first lap.

[Mike]

finish line stays open til 6, so they have time.

[frosty]

West is done and should be the winner seeing how he started 1st.

Lou just started lap 3.

Looks like Miller and Bigelow might pull 2nd and 3rd respectively as of right now.

Sounds to be West, Miller, Bigelow and Healy as 1, 2, 3, 4 for anyone not watching live.

[atjeep]

THey are taking the top 12 because 4 of the top 10 were already qualified. Boring looks like he will be #11.

[atjeep]

All the KOH qualifiers have finished. Boring made it in.

[atjeep]

Lou is starting his final lap

[b4wscrambler]

Looks like Lou finished 18th.

[CrawfishStu]

Well. We were having a lot of trouble with steel braided steering line. We started and we were running well and a line blew right by the pits. This was the same line that we had problems with prerunning. We ran a round a good bit after we fixed it with no problems but the fitting just started leaking like crazy. We pulled in and fixed it. We ran the high speed stuff and pulled into the put just to check things out. Right as we pulled in a 20 foot fireball erupted out of the side and from AJ's footwell. Another steering line had a pinhole in it. We used the fire extinguisher and fixed the line. We took off and made short work of Jotters and ran very well down to Rock Creek where a fireball came out of the hood. Another steering line. At this point we have broken 3 of the four steering lines from the orbital and one of them twice. We fixed it on the trail and made short work of trail 5 and made it back to the pits. We gassed up and headed back out....a 4 hour first lap was not going to help us. Our second lap we decided to just take it a little easy and not beat the truck too bad and turned like an hour and a half lap. We passed three or four trucks on crawldaddy and the trail five hillclimb. When the truck was working, it was working well. That left us just over two hours to finish the race. We decided to just hammer down and go for it. We blew throught the high speed stuff. We really were hauling. The truck drives like a rally car on the rough loose dirt. It was impressive. At the end of the high speed stuff the truck started to bog down and hesitate. We kept going but could only use about 1/2 throttle. We made it all the way to the trail 5 hillclimb fighting with the throttle. The truck just wouldn't go up it. We would get to the top and the engine would die. We made it up twice and just slid back down. Finally, it wouldn't even run. I beat on the pump, swapped the fuel filter, beat on the tank, and it just wouldn't get gas. We even took off the fuel vent to check for clogs. Nothing. Finally time expired. We towed it back to the pits and I was almost at the point of thinking that somehow we just were out of gas. We were talking to Matt and debating what could be wrong when AJ said he thought the pump was just done. I said I didn't think so because I could see the small amount of fuel in the filter get sucked up each time to let it run for a second. When we went to show Matt what it was doing you could see it sucking fuel from the filter and just not filling up. We turned the pump on again just like we had two dozen times on the hill and on level ground and the filter just started flooded with fuel like it sould and the engine cranked an ran just fine.

I kicked the truck and cursed it's mother.

The best we could figure is that there is a real problem with the way the pickups are in the tank.

We are putting new pickups in and we are changing every bit of steel braided line on the truck.

It was a tough day.

[RatLabGuy]

^^ wow, tough luck. That must have been very frustrating, esp being so close to finishing. Kudos for sticking with it at least.

[CrawfishStu]

it was very frustrating. The line and fittings were all from the TW1 and we hadn't had a problem with them on there ever nor had we had a steering line failure on the TW2 before. It's a shame the first race of the season had to be the RCQ.

[Happy Bear]

Congrats Bigelow

One hell of a team you've got there, both joking and seriously:lol:
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo144/broncoholic/rausch%20creek%20KOH%20qualifiaer/DSC_0025.jpg

[Grason]

doug, congrats on the finish, i guess a good thing you let kelly test out ur ride before hand haha

[dan58]

Congrats Bigelow

One hell of a team you've got there, both joking and seriously:lol:


Dannon might be one of the funniest human beings I've ever met. :lol:

[doug38s]

Right on that.

There is no way that I could have finished how and when I did without my guys. Dannon, Preston, Paul, Steve, Darrell, Grissom, Dave, Randy, James, My Dad and everyone that helped behind the scenes at the race. Especially all the guys at Wobble Head Inc over in West Virginia that prepped it after Kelly took if for a spin. I had no time, Bosely was jammed packed with work and they got it going. We actaully picked up a couple of more horses and believe it or not it tracks straighter than before.



KGB's...nuff said.

[Josh H]

Glad to see you finished well Doug, congrats! It was well deserved after all the bad comp luck you've had.

[jpowers]

it was very frustrating. The line and fittings were all from the TW1 and we hadn't had a problem with them on there ever nor had we had a steering line failure on the TW2 before. It's a shame the first race of the season had to be the RCQ.


If its any consolation , the TW1 had a possessed hydro system as well. It killed many PS pumps before it even got out the door.

The lines (manually assembled stuff) were probably fine for trail riding. For the beating that thing is taking now I'd probably want some stuff assembled @ a hydro shop.

[doug38s]

Everything line wise in my race buggy was assembled in house at Appalachian. the stuff PSC sends is perfect for racing.

[jpowers]

Everything line wise in my race buggy was assembled in house at Appalachian. the stuff PSC sends is perfect for racing.

Ah, Not 100% sure where that line came from on the TW1. AJ appeared with it one day.

[doug38s]

here's your sign

[jpowers]

here's your sign

:) Yeah really..

Wandered over to the PSC site. That stuff looks a lot more useful than the white stuff covered with painful braid on the TW.

I think for braided I'd still rather have the aeroquip stuff clamped on by someone used to doing it :).. That rubber line does look a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with (and repair out in the desert) though.

Jason

[CrawfishStu]

It is what was on the TW1. It's actually really nice line. Steel braided with teflon tube inside. The fittings seal very well so long as you have a fairly clean cut on it. Not nearly as hard as braided covered rubber line for AN fittings. It worked fine on the TW1, through assembly and testing on the TW2, fine for KOH, fine for testing prior to RCQ. I don't know.

Real fabbed lines are nice but you can't fix them like compression fittings and braided lines.

[domba]

It is what was on the TW1. It's actually really nice line. Steel braided with teflon tube inside. The fittings seal very well so long as you have a fairly clean cut on it. Not nearly as hard as braided covered rubber line for AN fittings. It worked fine on the TW1, through assembly and testing on the TW2, fine for KOH, fine for testing prior to RCQ. I don't know.

Real fabbed lines are nice but you can't fix them like compression fittings and braided lines.

Get real lines and you won't need to fix them, I run the same stuff that PSC sells. Never had a leak or failure, and they're actually really simple to do, I did all the lines in the tracker this time around in about an hour. The only line that isn't the reusable style hydraulic fitting is the feed to the pump.

And when when the TW1 came into LII for dissassembly those lines were leaking at almost every fitting...maybe there were no blowouts but they were not sealed well at all

[CrawfishStu]

They are real lines. I spent a good amount of time wrenching on the TW1 under the dash and didn't notice any leaks there and before it left LII I don't think the steering system ever had pressure due to a broken shaft on the steering pump.

But they have just been beat on in two different rigs and it's time to change them. We decided to go with PSC rubber lines and fittings because we could change them quickly if needed and without a saw or cut off wheel and they were ordered today.

[Ramsport59]

I know its too late now stu since you ordered stuff already, but right off of 97 next to BWI, Advanced Fuild, next to the Royal Farms, Has everything you would need. We use them often for hydralics up to 5000psi lines. Never once had issues with them.

Rick

[CrawfishStu]

Are they compression lines like the psc ones?
We want to go with something we can cut with a knife and throw on with two adjustables.

[zucruisers]

the psc lines are not compression fittings, they're 2 piece reusable hydraulic lines:flipoff2:

the braided lines on the TW1&2 are good lines if you like compression fittings, but they're not meant for high pressure steering systems, they're good for fuel, oil, or maybe the return side of a steering system, relatively low psi stuff...for a trail rig they might work fine, but when it comes to racing I wouldn't trust them

the fittings and lines we used on the tracker that dom referred to are JIC fittings, same as AN just rated for higher pressures, I buy them from a local machine shop because its convenient, but they're pretty much the same thing as what psc sells

[gr8whytyj]

I know its too late now stu since you ordered stuff already, but right off of 97 next to BWI, Advanced Fuild, next to the Royal Farms, Has everything you would need. We use them often for hydralics up to 5000psi lines. Never once had issues with them.

Rick

They are great people, they supply all of our stuff for dredges.

[Ripster]

http://vimeo.com/11653940

[Happy Bear]

http://vimeo.com/11653940

:thumbsup:

[Numidian]

http://vimeo.com/11653940

Makes me want to go fast :cheers::cheers::cheers:

But first I need something that will go before I can go fast :doh:

[Ripster]

Makes me want to go fast :cheers::cheers::cheers:

But first I need something that will go before I can go fast :doh:

There were some VERY expensive rigs there.
On a side note, it was pretty cool to see teams driving all the way from Cali just to race at RC. :thumbsup:

[dan58]

There were some VERY expensive rigs there.
On a side note, it was pretty cool to see teams driving all the way from Cali just to race at RC. :thumbsup:

No kidding. It was a real treat to get to spy some top tier rigs.

[CrawfishStu]

the psc lines are not compression fittings, they're 2 piece reusable hydraulic lines:flipoff2:

the braided lines on the TW1&2 are good lines if you like compression fittings, but they're not meant for high pressure steering systems, they're good for fuel, oil, or maybe the return side of a steering system, relatively low psi stuff...for a trail rig they might work fine, but when it comes to racing I wouldn't trust them

the fittings and lines we used on the tracker that dom referred to are JIC fittings, same as AN just rated for higher pressures, I buy them from a local machine shop because its convenient, but they're pretty much the same thing as what psc sells

Maybe i'm calling them by the wrong name. But the two piece design of the psc fitting is very similar to the ones we are using. A collar goes on the line. The fitting goes into the line and the collar threads on compressing the line onto the fitting for a tight seal.

[Happy Bear]

the psc lines are not compression fittings, they're 2 piece reusable hydraulic lines:flipoff2:

the braided lines on the TW1&2 are good lines if you like compression fittings, but they're not meant for high pressure steering systems, they're good for fuel, oil, or maybe the return side of a steering system, relatively low psi stuff...for a trail rig they might work fine, but when it comes to racing I wouldn't trust them

the fittings and lines we used on the tracker that dom referred to are JIC fittings, same as AN just rated for higher pressures, I buy them from a local machine shop because its convenient, but they're pretty much the same thing as what psc sells
On the topic of steering parts we were looking at how my tie rod heims are worn out at RCROCS. Didn't you tell me something particular about ordering the right heims to fit the clevis ends? I'm about to order some replacement suspension heims through ruff stuff and want to get some for my steering. I'm wondering if I should just get them from PSC since I'm putting an order together with them to.

[Mike]

Maybe i'm calling them by the wrong name. But the two piece design of the psc fitting is very similar to the ones we are using. A collar goes on the line. The fitting goes into the line and the collar threads on compressing the line onto the fitting for a tight seal.

I think they are called JIC fittings. They are what I used on my power steering lines.

[Ramsport59]

What your describing is Re-usable fittings.....comes in JIC, Pipe, ETC

Rick

[zucruisers]

Maybe i'm calling them by the wrong name. But the two piece design of the psc fitting is very similar to the ones we are using. A collar goes on the line. The fitting goes into the line and the collar threads on compressing the line onto the fitting for a tight seal.

the braided lines on the TW are compression fittings, they use a ferrule to seal onto the line, a new ferrule should be used anytime they're taken apart

the lines you're getting from psc are 2 piece reusable hydraulic lines, the bigger piece threads onto the outside of the line, the smaller piece threads into that and slides into the line at the same time, they're AN/JIC - which basically just refers to the flared fitting part on the end


On the topic of steering parts we were looking at how my tie rod heims are worn out at RCROCS. Didn't you tell me something particular about ordering the right heims to fit the clevis ends? I'm about to order some replacement suspension heims through ruff stuff and want to get some for my steering. I'm wondering if I should just get them from PSC since I'm putting an order together with them to.

hmm maybe? I dont remember, eugene said on thursday/friday that he just bought some ruffstuff heims that are too wide to fit in his psc clevis ends, which im assuming are the smaller style ends.
I have the bigger style clevis' on my POS ram, and you can fit pretty much any heim you want, I run 3/4" hole - 7/8 shank heims in them with misalignment spacers

[Happy Bear]

hmm maybe? I dont remember, eugene said on thursday/friday that he just bought some ruffstuff heims that are too wide to fit in his psc clevis ends, which im assuming are the smaller style ends.
I have the bigger style clevis' on my POS ram, and you can fit pretty much any heim you want, I run 3/4" hole - 7/8 shank heims in them with misalignment spacers
Ahh, maybe it was Eugene who mentioned it.