Blue TJ @ AOI

[Appalachian Offroad]

Who's is it and why is it here? :cheers:

[Appalachian Offroad]

Axle Specs:


Front Axle
Rockjock iron 60 w/ 3" x 3/8 wall DOM
Spidertrax Knuckles
Branik 6 lug unitbearings
68" WMS-WMS :stir:
Yukon drive flanges
Yukon 4340 Inners
Yukon Superjoints
Superior Outers
Branik Shaft Machining :happybear:
ARB
Yukon 513R Thick
Yukon Master Bearing Kit
Yukon Forged 1350 Yoke
Stock D60 diff cover :D

Rear Axle
RockJock iron 60 w/ 3" 3/8 wall DOM
Superior 35 Spline Semi-Float 6 lug shafts
64" WMS-WMS :stir:
ARB
Yukon 513R Thick
Yukon Master Bearing Kit
Yukon Forged 1350 Yoke
Stock D60 diff cover :D

[Jack]

Sounds hot. I hope the driver can use it.

[dan58]

Sounds hot. I hope the driver can use it.

I hope the spotter is up to the challenge.

[Ripster]

http://hdforums.com/forum/attachments/softail-models/27572d1234665383-09-heritage-big-radius-big-sucker-fuelpak-help-this-thread-is-useless-without-pichers.jpg

[frosty]

What did you end up with for a pitman arm? Length on it and the arms?

Oh, and I agree with Rippy. :D

[theshocker]

its mine. i can have it out of your way by lunch time

[Appalachian Offroad]

As everyone probably knows I am running behind on the TJs. Things should move along quickly now as the rest of the parts finally trickle in and I finally have some time to devote to them. Need to do the front suspension then I will be onto the steering.

Here are some pics of the rear suspension. Stock TJ coils are going to work well in this application and get us that low cog. This should give us about 5" of uptravel and 7" of down. Frame end lower crossmember is 1.5" .250 wall tubing with a 25* bend in the middle. Frame end lowers will be moved 1" in toward the center to be sure the links will not hit the frame while articulating. Axle truss will get a plate in the middle of each side. Antisquat is 110%, pinion angle change throughout the 12" of travel is 6* which allows us to use a single ujoint driveshaft. Axle end uppers at full bump are level with the factory crossmember.

[atjeep]

Wait, what? :alan:

[96zj]

So the axle isn't welded to the frame anymore. Thats progress :lol:

[Typhoon]

Typical repair shop.
Drop it off for an oil change and then all the sudden you need a new air filter, wipers, Axles, tub, tires, suspension.
Dam crooks I tell ya.

[Happy Bear]

These are going to be some nice machines! Nice pickings on the parts Alan!

[atjeep]

Typical repair shop.
Drop it off for an oil change and then all the sudden you need a new air filter, wipers, Axles, tub, tires, suspension.
Dam crooks I tell ya.

I took it in for a budget boost install with parts I bought from Quadratec.

[doug38s]

http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs440.snc3/25300_386955973285_90650938285_3701590_578148_n.jp g
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs420.snc3/25300_386955958285_90650938285_3701589_967835_n.jp g

Looks badass

[breakinshit]

Looking good guys!

[Ripster]

Damn that's hot!

[Happy Bear]

So it rolls, whats the status?

Suspension finished? steering? drive shafts? brakes?

[frosty]

I see it moved. :D

[CrawfishStu]

Bosley has more trucks in his shop now than ever.
I glanced at Allens truck when I was up there yesterday. Looks like it's coming along.

[Dave01XJ]

:cheers: looking good!

[doug38s]

pretty sure all they had to do was bleed brakes and it was all finished

[Ripster]

If the T-Donk is what finally pushed Otter over the edge and working on Alan's TJ caused Bosley to post this...

I am going to be doing less fab work from here on out. I will be contacting the people that have been waiting patiently for fab work to schedule. After those jobs I will only take on only a few custom jobs a year. There just isnt enough hours in the day, so dont get insulted when I say no to some work someone might want done.
...does this mean we can start calling Alan's TJ the T-Donk II? :flipoff2:

[poopypants]

i like a-donk

[atjeep]

the T-Donk II? :flipoff2:
There is already one of those, and it is in the shop. :flipoff2::flipoff2:

[Ripster]

There is already one of those, and it is in the shop. :flipoff2::flipoff2:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Typhoon]

There is already one of those, and it is in the shop. :flipoff2::flipoff2:

So does that make it a Re-Donk

[Ripster]

So does that make it a Re-Donk

This is getting re-donk-ulous. :flipoff2:

[Cowboy]

Comp rigs keep lookin' better all the time. Well done guys!

[atjeep]

Comp rigs keep lookin' better all the time. Well done guys!

Bosley is doing all the technical work, he is a hard-working MF. I am just a bracket-cleaning grinder bitch.

We are shooting for a trial run on the concrete this weekend, I can't wait.

[Happy Bear]

Bosley is doing all the technical work, he is a hard-working MF. I am just a bracket-cleaning grinder bitch.

We are shooting for a trial run on the concrete this weekend, I can't wait.
What day are you guys planning to go up? Come to Big Dogs instead!

[atjeep]

What day are you guys planning to go up? Come to Big Dogs instead!

Sunday.
I would like to come out to the Cove, but with just one week left until the first RCROCS, I really think we need to practice with it on the concrete.

[Appalachian Offroad]

Some pics, looks like 50* of steering is what we will get. WJ pitman arm, 6.25 off knuckle center on the steering arms and a stock box.

[TJgreg]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_83rZEgX6bQY/SarjrGj3SFI/AAAAAAAAGRw/2SfZ7RHcPQQ/s400/dang+dirt.jpg

[frosty]

Thats hot!

[Happy Bear]

Will it still turn lock to lock at full articulation? Or are you going to have to back off some as the tire stuffs into the fender?


Are you doing a beefed up steering pump with the hydro assist? I would suspect it's gonna take some power to turn the wheels that far since you are losing some mechanical leverage with the longer pitman arm.

[Appalachian Offroad]

Couple of pics flexed out turning, pic of tire turning from drivers seat, a full bump pic, pic of the rear setup .

[Appalachian Offroad]

Will it still turn lock to lock at full articulation? Or are you going to have to back off some as the tire stuffs into the fender?


Are you doing a beefed up steering pump with the hydro assist? I would suspect it's gonna take some power to turn the wheels that far since you are losing some mechanical leverage with the longer pitman arm.

Still turns lock to lock at full articulation thought I had some pics of turning driver with driver wheel stuffed but cant find it. It will have hydro assist but with the nearly perfect scrub radius it should take less power to turn because the tires arent trying to roll as they turn. This is one of the major benefits to running such offset wheels, which also allows this amount of steering without contact on frame or lower link.

[frosty]

Time to update this thread with a pic http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726544&highlight=

Granted its been a bit longer than a month or two. :flipoff2:

[frosty]

For the hydro assist are you planning a pump upgrade? I didnt like the speed on mine much with the stock pump. Its better with the upgraded PSC TC pump but I think a P pump would be the better option.

Although a 1.5" ram might work better speed wise with a stock pump. I think, but need to double check, that mine is 1.75". You probably wouldnt notice any power loss with the smaller ram with the scrub radius you have.

[dan58]

Hot damn. :D

[atjeep]

For the hydro assist are you planning a pump upgrade? I didnt like the speed on mine much with the stock pump. Its better with the upgraded PSC TC pump but I think a P pump would be the better option.

Although a 1.5" ram might work better speed wise with a stock pump. I think, but need to double check, that mine is 1.75". You probably wouldnt notice any power loss with the smaller ram with the scrub radius you have.

I have a Saginaw pump that I had originally planned to use for the hydro assist, it's the canned ham pump, I think that is a P pump?
We'll try the stock pump to see how it goes.

[Happy Bear]

I have a Saginaw pump that I had originally planned to use for the hydro assist, it's the canned ham pump, I think that is a P pump?
We'll try the stock pump to see how it goes.

That is a P pump, you should mod it yourself or send it out to be modified. It's worth the cost for the benefit in competition.

[frosty]

Is it a PSC pump? If so its probably already modded. If not then I think the West Texas Offroad mods would do well. It should already put put more GPM than the stock TC pump.

What size ram are you using? That will make the bigger difference with the stock pump I think. Not sure you'll be happy with the stock pump in a comp. I wasnt happy with the lack of speed in the driveway. It was noticeably slower.

[atjeep]

Is it a PSC pump? If so its probably already modded. If not then I think the West Texas Offroad mods would do well. It should already put put more GPM than the stock TC pump.



That is a P pump, you should mod it yourself or send it out to be modified. It's worth the cost for the benefit in competition.

Are you both talking about this mod?
http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/powersteering.html

[frosty]

I am, probably Happick too.

[Happy Bear]

I don't know which mod it is, but aftermarket pumps produce max flow at 600-800 rpms where a stock pump has to get 1200-1300 rpms to get max flow. The also flow slightly more and are higher pressure.

I'm pretty sure the West Texas is the same mod that all pump manufacturers are using. Just custom parts instead of modified stock parts.

[atjeep]

Yup, the WT mods are to improve flow at low RPMs and boost pressure.

[Ripster]

Are you both talking about this mod?
http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/powersteering.html

I did the above mod on my when I was still running a factory pump and it made a HUGE improvement.

[Mike]

did the pre-run happen?

[Ripster]

No

[atjeep]

did the pre-run happen?
It didn't get out of the shop this weekend. We are still looking good for having it running, but scrambling for some pre-comp seat time.

BTW, my fourth Krawler is supposed to arrive today. If it does I won't need to use the KM2. It's pretty awesome that you would lend me a brand new tire to take out on the comp course. Thanks.

[Happy Bear]

What were the hold ups? Details, fill us in!

[atjeep]

No real holdups, just a few things that took longer than expected.

[Happy Bear]

just a few things that took longer than expected.
Wow, I've never encountered that problem before :lol:

4PM Me: "I'll just be at the garage for maybe 2 hours or so"
9PM phone rings, ignore call
11PM Phone rings, OK it is taking way longer then expected hopefully I'll be home in an hour
2:30 AM actually arrive home

[dan58]

Wow, I've never encountered that problem before :lol:

4PM Me: "I'll just be at the garage for maybe 2 hours or so"
9PM phone rings, ignore call
11PM Phone rings, OK it is taking way longer then expected hopefully I'll be home in an hour
2:30 AM actually arrive home

<raises hand> Guilty of that one.

I think Bosely is going to advocate for a 28 hour day.

[atjeep]

Wow, I've never encountered that problem before :lol:

4PM Me: "I'll just be at the garage for maybe 2 hours or so"
9PM phone rings, ignore call
11PM Phone rings, OK it is taking way longer then expected hopefully I'll be home in an hour
2:30 AM actually arrive home

My wife knows better than to listen to my time estimates. :lol:

Me: "I'll be done in about an hour or so."
Her: "Uh huh. Just call me when you're done."

[CrawfishStu]

Bosley is a hard working guy.
I worked on the tw2 until almost 2am sat morning while he was working on alan's jeep. I took it easy sat since it wasn't going to be possible to get the tw2 out on the trail sat. Showed up in the afternoon and worked until 4am then loaded up to go to Rausch for Sunday testing. Mike had been at it since 10am.

I'm pretty sure my wife doesn't even ask me anymore. I'm either coming home or I'll be hours....maybe days.
I used to call when I left the shop after working really late.....she told me to stop waking her up. If she wakes up and is worried, she'll call me.

[Happy Bear]

I think Bosely is going to advocate for a 28 hour day.
Amen!

[atjeep]

Bosley is a hard working guy.

That is an understatement.

[Happy Bear]

That is an understatement.
QFT, I don't know how he does it, the man has a STRONG work ethic.

[Grason]

It runs

[Appalachian Offroad]

it steers

[Ripster]

:thumbsup::D:cheers:

[atjeep]

It runs

it steers
:cool:

[Grason]

its about loaded on my trailer :flipoff2:

[atjeep]

its about loaded on my trailer :flipoff2:

:lol::lol:

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oh wait, you probably aren't kidding

[BBoarder]

:lol::lol:

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oh wait, you probably aren't kidding

gotta get it down to the farm for a test-n-tune close to the shop.

[Grason]

gotta get it down to the farm for a test-n-tune close to the shop.

im on ma way

[atjeep]

stuck at work missing all the fun.

[Grason]

stuck at work missing all the fun.

Ill be kind and send you a vid of you jeep rolling down the big rock face in his back yard......




:alan::alan::popcorn::beer::dan2::lol::dan2::mikey ::chair::alan::happybear:

[atjeep]

Ill be kind and send you a vid of you jeep rolling down the big rock face in his back yard......


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[Appalachian Offroad]

it drives :chair:

[atjeep]

it drives :chair:

:cool::cool:

[Appalachian Offroad]

Tank steer = :happybear:

[frosty]

I think we need some pic or vid proof. :D

[Appalachian Offroad]

I think we need some pic or vid proof. :D

Langdon has the vid but can he figure out how to post it. :dan1:


BTW pic wont do anything

[frosty]

Langdon has the vid but can he figure out how to post it. :dan1:


BTW pic wont do anything

Yeah I realized pics are pointless after posting.

I PM'd him about the video.

[MDMike]

Here are the 2 pics I have. Still trying to figure out how to post the video I have on my phone. I can send it to someone that knows how to post it. Its pretty grainy, but you'll get the idea! :thumbsup:

[MDMike]

Yeah I realized pics are pointless after posting.

I PM'd him about the video.

PM'd back. I emailed it to you, hopefully you'll have better luck than me!

[dan58]

Tomorrow is going to be fuuuuuuuuun. :D

We'll have a GoPro HD attached to it this weekend. That should make for some awesome vid.

[MDMike]

Tomorrow is going to be fuuuuuuuuun. :D

We'll have a GoPro HD attached to it this weekend. That should make for some awesome vid.

It blows my mind how tight that thing can turn around. Bosley and I were laughing like school girls as he was spinning donuts with it in the parking lot!

[frosty]

http://vimeo.com/11327867

Slightly bigger version.

http://vimeo.com/11327872

That is flat out awesome.

[dan58]

Holy shit. :lol:

[Mike]

fawking nice!

[atjeep]

that's crazy wicked cool.

I'm ducking out of work early today for sure.

[Ripster]

That is soooooo badass!!

[Typhoon]

I guess it is ok......













:mikey: I want one.

[dan58]

:mikey: I want one.

All things can happen via credit card. :cheers:

[Ripster]

All things can happen via credit card. :cheers:

Until Kenz sees the statement. :doh:

[Grason]

just saw it in person. its pretty badass

[Dave01XJ]

that is sweet! nice job guys!

[Ripster]

just saw it in person. its pretty badass

X2
I saw it last night and damn is it hot. If it sat any lower, it would need curb feelers. :lol:

[Brandon95yj]

its looks better now that it has 4 matching tires:lol:

[Appalachian Offroad]

done

[BBoarder]

done

one down, one to go. Get back to work :beer:

[Jack]

done
Congrats Bra.

[Grason]

done



And i will say you looked pretty happy doing that donut in the parking lot when everything was buttened up.

[atjeep]

Bosley does good work. Dan and I are going to have fun tomorrow.

[atjeep]

The suspension on this truck is awesome. Mr Bosley has outdone himself.

The low COG makes it really stable. Dan had a lot more confidence than I did and spotted me through some pretty twisty, off-camber lines. It always felt stable and solid. We had some drivetrain issues, which meant I had to power through some tough lines with not much control or finesse. The truck felt stable even when I was bouncing down off-camber lines way too fast.

The axle setup is pimp. The braking is better than it has ever been on this TJ. The steering is crazy. The tank-steer circles were an endless source of entertainment.

As I said, we had some drivetrain issues, but that was my department. :o Once we get those issues resolved this should be a kick ass truck.

The work AOI has done on this truck is top-notch.

[atjeep]

Some before and after pics:

BEFORE, at the first 2009 RCROCS Race.
http://fazugg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pBSynHOBnAzdpouYoc3udc9nj7Mkg2t3On6gYokzTogF_N0f vbsRMaFJRBYPD84xoQuRKfwawG9SkmvuS2ZfiYhDOPTLdFg13/IMG_8104.JPG

AFTER, 2010 RCROCS Season opener:
http://fazugg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pB70DPTxgVS57TXcO1WXDjlK-DvI0iWUxpCTBuy7TwK53an1jU3enLCKL5ncuCOmCVxz8jWuZno nocWbC5Bt-s9XeXPKHdm1c/RCROCS%202010%20Season%20opener%20shootout.jpg

[Dave01XJ]

Looked good out there!

[Mike]

Someone needs to chop a hula hoop on dan in this picture. You don't realize how massive Alan's brakes are until you see them in person. You can see the rotors in this pic.

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn467/alphaomegaoffroad/100_0244.jpg

[minor threat]

Congrats Alan and Dan. Making the shootout on basically your test run is great. I am sure you guys will being giving class 2 a run for there money.

[atjeep]

Someone needs to chop a hula hoop on dan in this picture.

After a short conversation with the photographer and she came back with these. She also conveyed apologies to Dan.

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn467/alphaomegaoffroad/100_0244-1.jpg

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn467/alphaomegaoffroad/Team%20027/100_0244-1.jpg

[dan58]

:flipoff2: The wife loves it though.

The tatas are CLEARLY not big enough to be representative of our lovely Creeper ladies. :lol:

[atjeep]

The tatas are CLEARLY not big enough to be representative of our lovely Creeper ladies. :lol:

Happick might buy you a set.

[hey...hey]

Happick might buy you a set.

that is messed up...:lol:

[breakinshit]

Happick might buy you a set.
Nice! :lol:

[dan58]

This thing is a helluva lot of fun in 4Low. :D Hot damn is it is ridiculous on the trail.

[96zj]

So you have 4 low now? Does that mean Alan is the new resident D300 expert?

[dan58]

So you have 4 low now? Does that mean Alan is the new resident D300 expert?

YES! Absolutely he is. I refuse that title. I'm also the one that was under the truck four times today to put it back into 4low. :lol::lol: I must trust him to let the thing lurch downhill while I'm under the truck and my hand is stuck under the skid plate. :eek:

[96zj]

They make these things, sometimes they have knobs on them, that let you shift the transfer case from the drivers seat. :lol:

[dan58]

They make these things, sometimes they have knobs on them, that let you shift the transfer case from the drivers seat. :lol:

And then you factor in the luck we have with D300s. :alan:

[96zj]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[atjeep]

They make these things, sometimes they have knobs on them, that let you shift the transfer case from the drivers seat. :lol:

That seems pretty expensive and fancy when I have a spotter that is the Dana 300 expert and will crawl under my truck to shift it.

I actually broke the shifter cable, the t-case seems to be working fine. It did pop out of gear 3 times in the course of 6 hours of trail riding, but it never happened under load, only while we were driving access roads.

I am going to have to step up my driving skills to meet the skill level of the truck. :)
It is an awesome setup, especially when you consider it is a body on frame Jeep that meets Class 2 qualifications. Bosley had a lot of limitations in putting together a setup that will perform like a built rig but still fits in a set of measurements that are pretty close to stock. He has done an excellent job.
And for anyone who may be under the mistaken impression that any of the difficulty I have had is related to the work done by AOI, let me clear the air. ALL of the problems I have had so far have been caused by work done by me. AOI's work has performed flawlessly.

[Numidian]

I am going to have to step up my driving skills to meet the skill level of the truck. :)
It is an awesome setup, especially when you consider it is a body on frame Jeep that meets Class 2 qualifications. Bosley had a lot of limitations in putting together a setup that will perform like a built rig but still fits in a set of measurements that are pretty close to stock. He has done an excellent job.

You should probably just let mattchris drive and you spot him... I bet you guys would win again :flipoff2:

[Typhoon]

Mattchris would not know what to do with a Jeep than can go slower than 10mph..

[96zj]

And for anyone who may be under the mistaken impression that any of the difficulty I have had is related to the work done by AOI, let me clear the air. ALL of the problems I have had so far have been caused by work done by me. AOI's work has performed flawlessly.

Don't worry. No one was under that impression. :flipoff2:

It is a killer rig, and I am extremely jealous. I will never look at an isuzu axiom the same way again.

[matt-chris]

You should probably just let mattchris drive and you spot him... I bet you guys would win again :flipoff2:

HA ... Alan taught me everything I know. The problem is most likely dan :flipoff2: If Alan could clone himself and spot while he drives then he would win!


Mattchris would not know what to do with a Jeep than can go slower than 10mph..

This is all too true

[dan58]

FYI, tank steer in low range is hellish fun. :D

[Appalachian Offroad]

FYI, tank steer in low range is hellish fun. :D


You should see my parking lot right now. :)

[dan58]

You should see my parking lot right now. :)

:lol: Alan did a tank turn up at RC last weekend, and the circle was so small that it looked like a quad was doing donuts. :brow:

[MDMike]

You should see my parking lot right now. :)

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[RatLabGuy]

You should see my parking lot right now. :)

it's reeeaaally hard not to laugh watching that.

I predict a short lift on those tires.

[poopypants]

im pretty sure tank steer is a 15 point penalty??

[Appalachian Offroad]

im pretty sure tank steer is a 15 point penalty??

I thought that was if your Jeep was yellow.

[Mike]

yellow jeeps, tanks, there's a fat joke there somewhere.