Toyota Tundra

[Numijunior]

I'm looking into getting rid of my F250 and getting a tundra. So far all I've really found to worry/look for is some driveshaft problems. But more importantly I wanted to see what you guys think of them and if you'll make fun of me for towing with one :flipoff2:?

[Cerebus]

Ask 96ZJ ...he takes a lot of flak for towing with a girly truck ...and he's looking to upgrade to a diesel. :)

[frosty]

Why are you downgrading and whats wrong with the F250?

[Numijunior]

Why are you downgrading and whats wrong with the F250?

I don't really see it as a downgrade... My F250 has 140,000 and as it sits needs wheel bearings, clutch, something in the rear end is messed up... again.., and I'm 85% sure my injectors are on the way out, along with the fuel pump... I'm just fed up with having a diesel and every damned part costing an arm and a leg.

And I really don't tow that much anymore, in fact my F250 hasn't been in good enough working order to tow at all for the last few months...

[atjeep]

tundrasolutions.com is a good place for info.

I tow with a Sequoia, which is a Tundra with extra sheet metal and coil springs in the rear. No one makes fun of me...to my face anyway. :flipoff2: Numi did accuse me of towing with a 3/8 ton truck.

If you take a long trip like Harlan or out west, the diesel guys will not like the fact that you have to stop twice as often for fuel, but the girls will thank you.

You will definitely notice a difference when towing a full rig (as opposed to quads or bikes), you will know you have some weight behind you.

The Jeep is the biggest thing I tow, so it works for me.

[96zj]

I'll sell you my Tundra. Has a full warranty up to 6 years/100,000 miles. I found an F450 I want :brow: Honestly I love my truck. It has no problems pulling pretty much anything. Obviously it won't have the pulling power of a diesel, but it is a VERY nice truck.

Next year they are coming out with a light duty diesel followed by a heavy duty 7.0L diesel the year after. FYI.

[frosty]

I don't really see it as a downgrade... My F250 has 140,000 and as it sits needs wheel bearings, clutch, something in the rear end is messed up... again.., and I'm 85% sure my injectors are on the way out, along with the fuel pump... I'm just fed up with having a diesel and every damned part costing an arm and a leg.

And I really don't tow that much anymore, in fact my F250 hasn't been in good enough working order to tow at all for the last few months...

Its a downgrade.

All trucks need this thing called preventative maintenance. Dont think that switching to a Tundra will get you out of this. Its part of owning a vehicle.

Let me guess, you BOMB'd it and then beat it like it owes you money but didnt bother planning the BOMBs accordingly? If thats the case downgrading wont fix that either.

Is the Ford paid off? If not than you might be taking on a bigger payment just to get out of fixing your current truck. Dumb move IMO but whatever floats your boat.

[Numijunior]

Its a downgrade.

All trucks need this thing called preventative maintenance. Dont think that switching to a Tundra will get you out of this. Its part of owning a vehicle.

Let me guess, you BOMB'd it and then beat it like it owes you money but didnt bother planning the BOMBs accordingly? If thats the case downgrading wont fix that either.

Is the Ford paid off? If not than you might be taking on a bigger payment just to get out of fixing your current truck. Dumb move IMO but whatever floats your boat.

Yes its got a chip and its all done right and I did run it (isn't that the point?) but I also made a good effort at keeping it nice, it just didn't work out. I just don't see my F250 getting any cheaper to own its only going to get older and more things go up.

[frosty]

Yes its got a chip and its all done right and I did run it (isn't that the point?) but I also made a good effort at keeping it nice, it just didn't work out. I just don't see my F250 getting any cheaper to own its only going to get older and more things go up.

Then by all means get a new truck.

[dan58]

Yes its got a chip and its all done right and I did run it (isn't that the point?) but I also made a good effort at keeping it nice, it just didn't work out. I just don't see my F250 getting any cheaper to own its only going to get older and more things go up.

This truck is a helluva lot closer to being paid off than a new truck.

$500 every three months for repairs is a lot cheaper than $500 every month for a new truck payment.

[Numijunior]

This truck is a helluva lot closer to being paid off than a new truck.

$500 every three months for repairs is a lot cheaper than $500 every month for a new truck payment.

Ford is paid for... $500 every three months god I hope not It needs $3500 worth of chit now...

I don't know what the hell to do I just want a truck that doesn't suck. :lol:

[dan58]

Ford is paid for... $500 every three months god I hope not It needs $3500 worth of chit now...

I don't know what the hell to do I just want a truck that doesn't suck. :lol:

Then put some money into maintenance, ya dumbass.

[Ripster]

I don't know what the hell to do I just want a truck that doesn't suck. :lol:

Then fix it and quit abusing it.

[frosty]

Then put some money into maintenance, ya dumbass.


Then fix it and quit abusing it.

Those require common sense. Something that appears to be lacking in this case.

[Numijunior]

Wow you guys sure are assuming that I've just been out to tear the F250 up but hey I'm a retard, dumbass, etc.

[Ripster]

Wow you guys sure are assuming that I've just been out to tear the F250 up but hey I'm a retard, dumbass, etc.

I haven't assumed anything, your exploits have been well documented by you on here for all to see.

[frosty]

Wrong. But you are a dumbass, in my opinion, for thinking of taking on a monthly payment vs performing maintenance on your current paid for truck.

FYI if you do get a new truck you will have same problems if you do not perform standard maintenance. Its typically located in the owners manual.

[Happy Bear]

I missed the part where he said he will be financing the new ride?

[frosty]

I missed the part where he said he will be financing the new ride?

Now thats an assumption I made seeing how I missed the part where he said he had enough cash for a new truck but not to fix whats currently wrong with his.

[Numijunior]

Now thats an assumption I made seeing how I missed the part where he said he had enough cash for a new truck but not to fix whats currently wrong with his.


I have the cash to do whatever I'd like to...

[dan58]

I have the cash to do whatever I'd like to...

Like fix the truck. Or am I missing something? :happybear:


I think this is you just wanting a new truck and trying to rationalize the purchase by listing the repairs you need to do to the old one.

[frosty]

I have the cash to do whatever I'd like to...

Then by all means go get a new truck.

Just know that it is a downgrade in the towing department. It will still require preventative maintenance. But it should get the towing job done and you might get made fun of for a girly truck.

[96zj]

Buy mine.

[atjeep]

I am not trying to pile on, but Toyota parts are not any cheaper than Ford parts. As has been mentioned, truck maintenance is not free.

I have never owned a Ford truck, but I would rather have an F250 to tow my shit than the Toyota gasser that I have. Unfortunately I use my truck for other stuff that a pickup isn't suited for.
I have to carefully balance my trailer load or the ride is miserable and is hard to control. I had to get rid of what I considered o be a really nice heavy duty trailer for a light duty one because of towing capacity. Diesel guys leave me in the dust when we are towing on the interstate (not important to me, but it might be to you). There is exactly ONE option for chip upgrades on Toyota V8s. To me an F250 seems pretty nice.

I guess that would make the grass greener on the other side for both of us. Just some food for thought. :)

[frosty]

I am not trying to pile on, but Toyota parts are not any cheaper than Ford parts. As has been mentioned, truck maintenance is not free.

Yeah but you should be able to get 100,000 to 150,000 miles out of it before it starts to fall apart. Then its just time to get another one. Why worry about replacing all those silly parts. :thumbsup:

[CrawfishStu]

To answer your original question.....
I have several friends with the tundra and they seem to like them just fine.
I don't have any problems towing with my 2009 Ram 1500. It does not tow like a 2500 with a diesel would but a gasser fits my needs just fine.

[CrawfishStu]

x2 about loading it right to get it to tow straight.

[96zj]

I have found that with my leaf sprung Tundra that as long as the rig isnt so far back that the trailer wags it tows great. A little too far bag and it gets a little unnerving.

[CrawfishStu]

Same here with the Ram. I'd like to weigh the tongue on it some time and see where it is. I have a set of coilrites to put on it to help with the sagging a little bit.

[lowdown]

Jared, responsibility doesn't have to come at cost. Fix your shit and stop fucking with it. You have "the grass is greener on the other side of the hill" syndrome. So you get a new truck..then what? Warranty repairs on shit that broke when your were "just driving along..?"

[BBoarder]

So you beat your truck like it owed you money and now that it needs work you don't want to fix it? If you sell your 250 as is, you're going to have to give it away. Fix it, drive it like a normal person and enjoy a good truck. Now i am not saying you are the only one, talk to JR or Grason, and i'm no saint driving my truck either. But abuse costs money, and if you have 140k on your clutch and wheel bearings don't be surprised, shit don't last forever.

[Numidian]

Jared goes wheeling/tows a trailer once a year with his buddies and maybe twice a year to Big Dogs or something. He never needed a diesel in the first place.

Not only does his truck need $3500 (at a minimum) in repairs, he's stuck driving an F250 to and from work everyday, he's also realized he doesn't enjoy rowing his way down the road with his 6-speed.

He figures right now is as good a time as any, to get himself a truck that will better suit his own needs and at the same time get a nice clean slate to start with.

[rj91jeep]

i guess im on the other side of the hill. i agree with bboarder and frosty. you have the truck that i would kill to daily drive. right now i have a 2000 f250 with the 5.4L and an auto. i drive mine every day. usually down 795 and 695 to work. i tow about once a month and it gets the job done for now but i still hate the gas engine and the auto. the auto shifts wierd unless there is a load on the trans like with a trailer and the 5.4L wont win any races. i bought the truck from my grandparents 3 years ago and have had to put close to $4000 into it in just maintainance and it still needs more front end work. i would love to upgrade but the money isnt there so i just keep putting mine back together. i much rather have the power of a diesel to daily drive and i rather have a 6 speed put i guess that is personal preferance. alot of it is not abusing what you have. i abused mine in the beginning between driving it hard and towing close to max load of the truck and i ended up paying for it in the end. i just turned 21 in June if that helps put stuff into perspective.

[Numijunior]

Jared goes wheeling/tows a trailer once a year with his buddies and maybe twice a year to Big Dogs or something. He never needed a diesel in the first place.

Not only does his truck need $3500 (at a minimum) in repairs, he's stuck driving an F250 to and from work everyday, he's also realized he doesn't enjoy rowing his way down the road with his 6-speed.

He figures right now is as good a time as any, to get himself a truck that will better suit his own needs and at the same time get a nice clean slate to start with.

BINGO. Clean slate expensive lesson learned... Just think how dumb most of you were at my age :flipoff2:

I've kinda changed my mind on the tundra though. I'm thinking if I'm going to get a gas truck a Chevy 2500 with a 6.0 should fit my needs perfect.

And I'm working on a deal to get cash plus a 1986 Raced out and clean Honda 250R quad for my truck. He's also letting me pull all the mods off so I can sell them.

[Numidian]

BINGO. Clean slate expensive lesson learned... Just think how dumb most of you were at my age :flipoff2:

I've kinda changed my mind on the tundra though. I'm thinking if I'm going to get a gas truck a Chevy 2500 with a 6.0 should fit my needs perfect.

And I'm working on a deal to get cash plus a 1986 Raced out and clean Honda 250R quad for my truck. He's also letting me pull all the mods off so I can sell them.

Jared, ask Steve about his old Chevies. He's owned them all and towed his big ass gooseneck horse trailer with them all.

He hated the 6.0 2500 he had. So much that he went back to a 1500 with a 5.7. He swore up and down that the 1500 with a 5.7 pulled his trailer better and had more power.

And of course now he has a Tundra :lol:

[phillyzj]

Jared, ask Steve about his old Chevies. He's owned them all and towed his big ass gooseneck horse trailer with them all.

He hated the 6.0 2500 he had. So much that he went back to a 1500 with a 5.7. He swore up and down that the 1500 with a 5.7 pulled his trailer better and had more power.

And of course now he has a Tundra :lol:

from my understanding there is a gap in the 6.0's so it would depend on the year weather they were better or not. what can you get with a 6.2 in it? they are supposed to be pretty darn nice, especially with the 6L80E.

Tundra's seem like pretty nice trucks, but they definitely don't have the cool factor of a diesel truck with a 6-speed. 1/2 ton gassers probably make sense for most of us and what we do most of the time.

personally i'll pay the bit extra to row gears down the road in my oversized 3/4ton diesel ;) at least until i can get the brakes fixed in my maxima :rolleyes:

[abtj04]

i got a 08 tundra and i love it. I got the crew max cause of the family(tons of room,more then another 1/2 out there). the only issue i had was the radio but they(dealer) fix that. as for that trans problem if you look around the net you can find the VIN# that it was happening on.

I tow my tj on a 16 foot trailer, tows with no problems. i get about 12-13 mpg depend most of the time, if i'm tried and in a rush home from the park i get 10-11 mpg.
driving it with out a trailer i get 16-17mpg i'll see 19 if i'm just on the highway.

if you do get one get the 5.7 better gas milage and you'll love the power it has.

[Numijunior]

Jared, ask Steve about his old Chevies. He's owned them all and towed his big ass gooseneck horse trailer with them all.

He hated the 6.0 2500 he had. So much that he went back to a 1500 with a 5.7. He swore up and down that the 1500 with a 5.7 pulled his trailer better and had more power.

And of course now he has a Tundra :lol:

Brennan, was he high when he said this? :lol:

I'm totally over the "cool factor" of the diesel and the stick shift.

But tell me more about the chevy motors. I found a nice 05 2500HD extend cab short bed 6.0. Now to go google 05's lol.

[CrawfishStu]

I get about 10 towing with mine and 15.5 driving around. I drive in the city a lot though.

[Numidian]

Brennan, was he high when he said this? :lol:

I'm totally over the "cool factor" of the diesel and the stick shift.

But tell me more about the chevy motors. I found a nice 05 2500HD extend cab short bed 6.0. Now to go google 05's lol.

He could have been, but he has also told me it on multiple occasions.

Another thing to remember is the fact that he probably tows more then just about anyone on this board during racing season.

[blee1099]

Why not fix the truck and get a daily driver. If the 09 Tundra is like the 08 that my friend has, you may have problems with the tranny. He's on his 2nd tranny with problems with it shuddering.

[axisprop]

I had a 07 tundra for two years I used it as my personal vehical and for work towing a 16' trailer with landscape equipement pretty much every day and never had a problem with it. Towed a commando a few times no problems. My only complaint with it was the bed payload. Always towed striaght and had awesome braking power with out using a controller. I can honestly say I was pretty hard on the truck, with zero problems. The only reason why I got rid of it was becasue it was a regular cab, and infant seats don't fit too well in regular cab trucks.

[TJTank]

Why not fix the truck and get a daily driver. If the 09 Tundra is like the 08 that my friend has, you may have problems with the tranny. He's on his 2nd tranny with problems with it shuddering.


wouldn't that be the best/cheapest option. Get a clapped out honda and run it until it dies

[Kack]

I tow with an 02 2500HD 6.0 Same 4Runner load as you on a 24' open trailer. It tows fine, I'm looking for a diesel because it only goes about 230 miles on a 26 gallon tank running 80 mph. Passes everything but a gas station. The truck is lethargic as shit when you get it. Call Justin at Blackbear Performance and drive down to Alexandria, VA to have him tune it from the passenger seat. It completely changes the truck and really makes it more fun to drive. Don't do anything else to it. No stupid exhaust, the factory is already 3", intakes don't do anything for it.

The timing on these engines is waaaaaay wrong from the start. GM has them tuned at 12 degrees with no advance to meet federal tailpipe noise standards. They have torque management built into the comp to pull timing back when the tranny shifts. Basically idiotproofing it for those who kill it from stoplight to stoplight. Remove the TM and drive like a white person. Justin can play with any parameter and if you ever want to change it, he will do it for free.

I don't mod my daily drivers and I don't regaurd this as a mod. Just an improvement. This is not like a hypertech or ay other handheld. This is a full ECM flash. If for some reason the dealer re-flashes it, justin will reload for free.

[frosty]

He swore up and down that the 1500 with a 5.7 pulled his trailer better and had more power.


Another thing to remember is the fact that he probably tows more then just about anyone on this board during racing season.

For shits sake this is the most retarded thing I have read on here and that saying a lot. There is no way, shape or form a 1/2 ton is better at towing than a 3/4 ton. Period.

Can a 1/2 ton have more HP? Sure but whooptyfuckingdoo. Its a 1/2 ton truck.

In my opinion he is just trying to justify his choice in an inferior towing vehicle.

With that I am done in this thread. The shit is piling up fast and high and I dont have any chest waders.

[Cerebus]

I think we should all get S10's / Rangers to tow with.

[atjeep]

I think we should all get S10's / Rangers to tow with.

1987 El Camino SS an a gooseneck. :thumbsup:

[CrawfishStu]

I had a 07 tundra for two years I used it as my personal vehical and for work towing a 16' trailer with landscape equipement pretty much every day and never had a problem with it. Towed a commando a few times no problems. My only complaint with it was the bed payload. Always towed striaght and had awesome braking power with out using a controller. I can honestly say I was pretty hard on the truck, with zero problems. The only reason why I got rid of it was becasue it was a regular cab, and infant seats don't fit too well in regular cab trucks.

You have to ratchet strap the kid seat down in the bed.

[Happy Bear]

wouldn't that be the best/cheapest option. Get a clapped out honda and run it until it dies
Then he's got 2 clapped out vehicles and 2 insurance bills, doesn't sound like the best option to me.

[Numijunior]

Then he's got 2 clapped out vehicles and 2 insurance bills, doesn't sound like the best option to me.

Exactly... I just want ONE nice daily driver that can do it all and I don't need a diesel to do that. Not to mention the repair bills of 2 pos's :lol:.

And if I get a Chevy I'll be talking to you Kack.

[TJTank]

didn't your truck start as a nice daily driver?

[Ripster]

didn't your truck start as a nice daily driver?

:lol::lol::lol:

[Numijunior]

didn't your truck start as a nice daily driver?

Ya but it also is a reg cab XL so it lacks in the comfort department IMO.

I geuss you missed the part where I realize I did something very dumb in running this truck so hard and I'm trying to start fresh, hind sight is 20/20...

[blee1099]

Didn't you have a toyota pickup at one point Jared? I can't remember.

[Happy Bear]

Didn't you have a toyota pickup at one point Jared? I can't remember.
Yea, it was a little Taco.

I'm with you Jared, DDing a diesel monster sucks. They are expensive to maintain, operate, repair, and are obnoxiously loud. Also, 90% of the people on 4wd forums with diesel trucks don't use them for towing enough to reap the benefits of owning a diesel vs gas truck.

[Z28YJ]

Also, 90% of the people on 4wd forums with diesel trucks don't use them for towing enough to reap the benefits of owning a diesel vs gas truck.

When I bought my towrig, I seriously considered all of the diesel trucks. It just didn't add up for me. It was way cheaper to buy a gas big block truck and a little beater car than it was to buy the diesel truck. Both my jeep and trailer are pretty heavy and my truck tows it fine. Yeah, the mileage sucks, but it's going to be a lot of miles before this truck costs me more than a diesel.

[Numijunior]

Didn't you have a toyota pickup at one point Jared? I can't remember.

Ya I used to have a bad ass little 05 regular cab tacoma 4 banger back when I was still building the 4runner, that was a sweet daily driver. Sucked being loaded down with just a quad and dirtbike though.

Matt, thanks for assuring me I'm not losing my mind, I hate making these big money decisions.

[Ironman02]

My current rig is a Tundra. It’s a very dependable truck and can haul/ tow just about anything you throw at it. I’m not sure what year you are looking for, but ive owned my 02’ for 5 years now and she has given me no major issues and I beat on this truck daily with 145k on it. As far as the driveshaft goes, ive never heard of people having problems with them. Tundrasolutions.com is by far the oldest and best site for info.

Good luck with the purchase.

[Numidian]

For shits sake this is the most retarded thing I have read on here and that saying a lot. There is no way, shape or form a 1/2 ton is better at towing than a 3/4 ton. Period.

Can a 1/2 ton have more HP? Sure but whooptyfuckingdoo. Its a 1/2 ton truck.

In my opinion he is just trying to justify his choice in an inferior towing vehicle.

With that I am done in this thread. The shit is piling up fast and high and I dont have any chest waders.

He has no reason to justify anything. Steve can buy any truck he wants. If he wants to pull his horse trailer with that stupid ass Chevy Kodiak or whatever, he can. He prefers to pull his trailer with a 5.7 powered 1500... That is all.

Part of his opinion also could be that most of his towing is from Manchester MD, down 83 to Pimlico or Laurel Park, not up the big ass hills on 81.

[Kack]

I'll probably be loaded with the rig and trailer next time I come up there. You can see what it's like. I'm in the same boat. I got my truck really cheap and with 23k on the ticker. A diesel with that low mileage would be well over 25k. I payed 15.5. So there's 10k savings there. I drive a $2000 car to and from work but only because the parking lot here is a battle ground and I got a smokin deal on the car too. There are times when I'd like the diesel, and someday I will own one but it will remain stock, and be a crew cab.

Oh, I got 14 MPG on the last trip back from MD to VA running 75+ and being heavy on the gas from starts. Sometimes it feels good to lay into it a little bit. About 500 lbs in the bed