Cummins ford swap

[gr8whytyj]

Anybody have experience with it? All of my friends keep saying to not waste any money on the powerstroke(arp studs egr delete blah blah). It's just out of warranty and I want to swap in a 24v common rail and nv5600 I know it will involve a lot of downtime, but the winter is coming up and I think I can get it done before the spring. What is the best year cummins to get or any information would be helpful.

Thanks, Jake.

[Numijunior]

Destroked.com and powerstrokenation.com I'd keep the ford tranny if it were my truck..

[dan58]

Trade the whole thing in for a CTD. Don't mess with all that garbage.

[MDMike]

12v swap! :brow:

[gr8whytyj]

Trade the whole thing in for a CTD. Don't mess with all that garbage.

This has also crossed my mind. It's tough finding a 6spd cummins though.

[dan58]

This has also crossed my mind. It's tough finding a 6spd cummins though.

2nd or 3rd gen? They're out there, and being patient is worth it.

[Happy Bear]

Trade the whole thing in for a CTD. Don't mess with all that garbage.
X2, you will invest thousands and greatly decrease the reliability and value of your truck.

Trade yours in on a cummins. I know everyone likes the ford trucks but the 3rd gen dodge trucks are pretty nice IMO.

[blthomas]

Several threads on Pirate as well. 12v is really fairly simple.

Destroked has adaptors for every transmission, motor mounts, and forums also.

I've been reading up on this for my 96' F350 gasser. I was told 97' or 98' would be a good swap for me, but I get the details on pumps and the like confused.

[blthomas]

X2, you will invest thousands and greatly decrease the reliability and value of your truck.


I understand the value aspect, I'd only follow through if I knew I was keeping the rig longterm.

But the reliability? A Cummins swap is almost mainstream as a 350 in a Jeep swap.

I would think with quality parts, and a solid donor motor, and you're all set. :stir:

[dan58]

I understand the value aspect, I'd only follow through if I knew I was keeping the rig longterm.

But the reliability? A Cummins swap is almost mainstream as a 350 in a Jeep swap.

I would think with quality parts, and a solid donor motor, and you're all set. :stir:

With no warranty whatsoever. He can trade in his truck (an 05) and get a nice value for it. No motor swap, no worries, just a trade and upgrade.

[Happy Bear]

I understand the value aspect, I'd only follow through if I knew I was keeping the rig longterm.

But the reliability? A Cummins swap is almost mainstream as a 350 in a Jeep swap.

I would think with quality parts, and a solid donor motor, and you're all set. :stir:
I'm not saying the cummins itself is less reliable, in fact, it is more reliable.

All I'm saying is replace the motor with a Cummins and you will have gremlins from the swap. I would bet $$ he will be chasing little problems because the engineers that design trucks put a lot more time, thought, and $$ into the entire truck as a system then he is going to with this swap.

Collins durango with the 4bt required constant tinkering, but the 4bt is a WAY better motor then the factory 360 right?


With no warranty whatsoever. He can trade in his truck (an 05) and get a nice value for it. No motor swap, no worries, just a trade and upgrade.
Exactly, he can get in a new truck, save himself a few hundred hours of wrenching and build this buggy instead. Effectively not jeaporidizing having reliable transportation.

[MDMike]

<- proud 12 valve owner stirring pot :stir:

A 12 valve swap would require wiring the alternator and starter and supplying 12 volts to the fuel shutoff solenoid. If he's going to run the dodge tranny, he can get a 47rh that only requires a ground circuit for the converter lockup. Being driver's drop front axle, he can run the dodge transfer case and block off the vacuum ports for the disco front axle.

I think Jake might have a hard time trading in the ford with the issues he's having right now. For close to the $$ that he'd have tied up in headwork, studs, egr delete, etc., he could find a cummins drivetrain and swap it in.

Then he could mod the cummins to make just as much, if not more power than the 6.0 ever had, and be reliable.

[dan58]

<- proud 12 valve owner stirring pot :stir:

A 12 valve swap would require wiring the alternator and starter and supplying 12 volts to the fuel shutoff solenoid. If he's going to run the dodge tranny, he can get a 47rh that only requires a ground circuit for the converter lockup. Being driver's drop front axle, he can run the dodge transfer case and block off the vacuum ports for the disco front axle.

I think Jake might have a hard time trading in the ford with the issues he's having right now. For close to the $$ that he'd have tied up in headwork, studs, egr delete, etc., he could find a cummins drivetrain and swap it in.

Then he could mod the cummins to make just as much, if not more power than the 6.0 ever had, and be reliable.

This also assumes the accepting dealership knows of the head problems on this particular truck. ;). For all they care, it is a nice truck to put on the lot or sell at auction. No doubt the 12V is a nice swap, but like Happy Bear says, gremlins are sure to find him. Finding a donor motor AND NV5600 is going to be a lot of coin.

[gr8whytyj]

This also assumes the accepting dealership knows of the head problems on this particular truck. ;). For all they care, it is a nice truck to put on the lot or sell at auction. No doubt the 12V is a nice swap, but like Happy Bear says, gremlins are sure to find him. Finding a donor motor AND NV5600 is going to be a lot of coin.

Yeah if I trade it in, it will not have ARP headstuds fuck that. Truck runs fine around town.

[Happy Bear]

Yeah if I trade it in, it will not have ARP headstuds fuck that. Truck runs fine around town.
What is trade-in value of your truck?

And what would you expect to spend on the cummins swap.

[blthomas]

With no warranty whatsoever. He can trade in his truck (an 05) and get a nice value for it. No motor swap, no worries, just a trade and upgrade.

True. But is he making a payment on a note now? That comes into consideration for someone like me who has no note, and can do a swap for several thousand.

A truck payment for several years is less appealing to me......although selling one truck and buying another is a route with way less headaches. :lol:

[blthomas]

With no warranty whatsoever. He can trade in his truck (an 05) and get a nice value for it. No motor swap, no worries, just a trade and upgrade.

True. But is he making a payment on a note now? That comes into consideration for someone like me who has no note, and can do a swap for several thousand.

A truck payment for several years is less appealing to me......although selling one truck and buying another is a route with way less headaches. :lol:


<- proud 12 valve owner stirring pot :stir:


Did you do a swap into a Ford or running a older 12v/Dodge truck?

[Ripster]

He's putting the finishing touches on 4bt in a CJ.

[Numijunior]

Ya it'll prob be a major job, major PIA, major expense BLAH BLAH... But when your done you'll have the truck you want and you won't still be paying for it...

If I ever manage abuse my 7.3 enough to make it pop I'd prob go this direction. I think I could do a 12v really cheap as I'd be making my own trans adapter.

[dan58]

True. But is he making a payment on a note now?

Jake will have to answer that one. I think he's only had it a year or so, so I'd bet yes.

Besides, who wants a Ferd anyway. This is a way to ditch that blue oval.

[blthomas]

Besides, who wants a Ferd anyway. This is a way to ditch that blue oval.

Hater.....:flipoff2: :lol:

[MDMike]

He's putting the finishing touches on 4bt in a CJ.

...and I just "upgraded" from a 97' clubcab 12v to a 98' Dually 5 speed 12v :thumbsup:

[gr8whytyj]

Jake will have to answer that one. I think he's only had it a year or so, so I'd bet yes.

Besides, who wants a Ferd anyway. This is a way to ditch that blue oval.

Yeah I'm making payments, going to see what I can get at a dealership tonight. KBB trade in is 18,000(good not great condition) I owe 14,000. I would never do a private sale with the current condition it is in. If the dealer doesn't want to play ball I'll fix the truck and do a private sale. I'd like to haul 2 rigs at a time and that won't happen with this truck.

[zucruisers]

just get rid of the ford...get a 12v dually like my old one:flipoff2:

[gr8whytyj]

Carmax offered me 15k I'm not that desperate. I'm contemplating fixing and selling the truck.

[rj91jeep]

i will be doing the cummins swap into my 2000 superduty in a year or 2 if i cant find a donor truck to use to convert my truck to 7.3L diesel. i cant take the loses of selling my truck to buy a different one. plus why sell the ford with a better body style and better parts for a dodge.

fordcummins.com has alot of good parts and info on the swap. i plan on swapping in a 12v and a ford 6 speed trans. it should be an easier swap for me since i will be converting from a 5.4L and auto trans.

so far it looks like the swap is gonna cost me between 7000 to 10000 depending on what all i upgrade when i install it. the fact that i can only get around 7000 now for the truck and a good diesel truck setup how i want it is gonna run me close to 20000, the swap is better for me in the long run.

[frosty]

i will be doing the cummins swap into my 2000 superduty ...... i plan on swapping in a 12v and a ford 6 speed trans. it should be an easier swap for me since i will be converting from a 5.4L and auto trans.

Do the normal engine swap laws for MD apply to a diesel? You might want to check on that cuz if they do then you wont be swapping a 12v into a 2000 chassis.

[TJTank]

I ended up having to go to kansas to find the truck I wanted.

That being said I am couldn't be happier with my 24v 6spd.

[robieyukon]

I would first look for the truck you want, even if you have to drive several hours. If you cant find it, i'd go with the 12v. The swap should be easy b/c its mechanical.
There has been two Cummins swaps into Fords in the last DieselPower and Diesel World. I think if you didnt cut corners your truck would be fine to drag, haul, pull, and daily drive. Plus resale should be fine because no matter what, everyone knows what the 12v motors are. I say go for it and post pictures. Im sure you can sell the 6.0 motor and get $1,000.

[gr8whytyj]

I would first look for the truck you want, even if you have to drive several hours. If you cant find it, i'd go with the 12v. The swap should be easy b/c its mechanical.
There has been two Cummins swaps into Fords in the last DieselPower and Diesel World. I think if you didnt cut corners your truck would be fine to drag, haul, pull, and daily drive. Plus resale should be fine because no matter what, everyone knows what the 12v motors are. I say go for it and post pictures. Im sure you can sell the 6.0 motor and get $1,000.

I could get much more for the motor. I'd pull it and replace the head bolts. Resale on 6.0's are good because people blow them up!

[Numijunior]

I think if you didnt cut corners your truck would be fine to drag, haul, pull, and daily drive.

This is my worry about going to a 12v if I kill the 7.3. I love just turning power on and off with my on the fly chip. I'm curious how well I could tune a 12v to do it all without sucking at one or the other...

[getblown5.9]

With the proper AFC tuning, and the possible use of a valet switch to limit boost to the AFC its very doable, but there is a limit also. If you want to do this and also make big power (550hp+) then you are gonna have to spend the money on twins or else its gonna be a smokey, overfueled, slow spooling beast. I think at about 450hp it can be an all around great combo, fun to drive, pulls like a dream, gets great mileage, and with an automatic it would be running mid 13's depending on weight.

You can tune it to over 600hp on a single charger and be drivable, but dont think you are gonna hook it to a trailer and tow anything without staring at your pyro and constantly letting out to keep it cool. I've been there. I put the P7100 pump on my 24v, and it dynoed at 631hp/1200tq and while it was fun to drive, i had to be careful not to smoke people out and towing would have been out of the question.

I am by no means an expert, just relaying some of the info I've found over the last few years of tinkering with these things and reading for hours, and researching.

[robieyukon]

Good point, I guess it depends on how fast you want to be. A water/meth kit could be used to control egts with a larger tank (7gal). A twin kit could likely be tuned to make 500hp with good temps. Its only money.

[red6rubicon]

I am planning something similiar I picked up a 94 4wd auto ctd and a 92 2wd ctd (only gonna use one truck but I got a smoking deal on the 92)and I am planning on swapping one of the drivetrains into a 73-87 4 door chevy.I dont wanna deal with electronics of the engine so the 12 valve was a no-brainer and I don't want an over complicated vehicle wiring harness to deal with!I'd sell the truck you have out right and find something unique too throw it in just my .02
but any way here's my question,which is the better engine to use 1st gen or 2nd gen?is one better than the other both have 200,000 miles and in good running shape
sorry for the thread jack

[phillyzj]

Do the normal engine swap laws for MD apply to a diesel? You might want to check on that cuz if they do then you wont be swapping a 12v into a 2000 chassis.

since they don't do emissions testing on diesel vehicles, that parts covered. getting through state inspection would be tough unless you know somebody...at least that's my understanding.

I did have some issues with my 4bt swapped durango. a lot of it was trial and error and there were NO parts available to help my swap. I didn't even have an example off of. the CTD/ford swap is extremely common with the parts sold to do it right and hopefully the first time.

[rj91jeep]

since they don't do emissions testing on diesel vehicles, that parts covered. getting through state inspection would be tough unless you know somebody...at least that's my understanding.

that was my take on it also. since i already have tags on the truck, i should never have to go through inspection again. the only thing that i have to still check is if they need to inspect the truck to confirm the truck is now a diesel so i dont have to go through emissions anymore. phillyzj may be able to tell me this since he prob had to go through it with the bt4 swap

[phillyzj]

that was my take on it also. since i already have tags on the truck, i should never have to go through inspection again. the only thing that i have to still check is if they need to inspect the truck to confirm the truck is now a diesel so i dont have to go through emissions anymore. phillyzj may be able to tell me this since he prob had to go through it with the bt4 swap

if it's a gasser, you will need to get a diesel exemption from the VEIP. I never went through it because my durango was tagged in PA. the biggest hangup at the VEIP that i could figure out was the year of the motor being newer than the year of the vehicle. my durango wouldn't have passed.

[Happy Bear]

Getting through state inspection would be tough unless you know somebody...at least that's my understanding.
Making it impossible to switch ownership? How did the new owner of the durango go about getting it tagged?

[MDMike]

I am planning something similiar I picked up a 94 4wd auto ctd and a 92 2wd ctd (only gonna use one truck but I got a smoking deal on the 92)and I am planning on swapping one of the drivetrains into a 73-87 4 door chevy.I dont wanna deal with electronics of the engine so the 12 valve was a no-brainer and I don't want an over complicated vehicle wiring harness to deal with!I'd sell the truck you have out right and find something unique too throw it in just my .02
but any way here's my question,which is the better engine to use 1st gen or 2nd gen?is one better than the other both have 200,000 miles and in good running shape
sorry for the thread jack

Use the motor out of the 94. The P-pump has the capability of making alot more power than the rotary style pump on the first gen. Mechanically, you still only need to put 12 volts to the fuel shutoff solenoid to make either of them run. If you end up doing this, post pics!!!

[phillyzj]

Making it impossible to switch ownership? How did the new owner of the durango go about getting it tagged?

he was in the military and registered it in Texas. If you are in the military and from texas all you need to do for vehicle inspection is some inspection of the vehicle you do yourself...pretty lax.

[lowdown]

My neighbor swapped a '92 12v into his '88 W150 a couple of years ago.
The W150 was already inspected and tagged prior to the engine swap. Following the swap, he went to the MD state police barracks. He took the completed truck, donor vehicle's VIN number and title. The cop confirmed that the engine had been swapped and the truck now diesel powered. I'm not sure what happened after that but from that point on, the truck was/is emissions exempt.